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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 629

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for the 1st of november 2020 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia

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the beginning of a new month and a new

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month

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means sadly for some people around the

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world going back into lockdown

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and i'm certainly thinking about my

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friends and colleagues in those parts of

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the world

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which aren't having such a great

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november or we'll shortly not have such

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a great november

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hopefully skeptical podcasts like the

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skeptic zone can help you

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get through this week on the show we

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continue our tributes to

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james randy who died only a week or so

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ago

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starting with the series of interviews i

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conducted with randy

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over the years starting in 2007 an

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interview i did

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with him on the amazing uh adventure the

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amazing cruise north to alaska

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now originally when i was doing the

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production i thought that the amazing

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cruise interview was the first time i

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had actually interviewed james randy

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but after going through archives when

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the section was finished

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being produced i discovered an earlier

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interview from 2006

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and what i've done is i've put that

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earlier interview on youtube

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on the skeptic's own youtube channel if

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you don't subscribe to the skeptic's own

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youtube channel it's another way to

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listen to the show

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and other videos anyway i will link

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directly to that

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original what i believe is the very

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first interview from 2006

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in this week's show notes but yes a

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series of interviews

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spanning the years of the skeptic zone

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with james randy following that we go

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once again

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back into the treasure trove that is

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trove and

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other uh resources so we

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look specifically at the year 1980

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and find newspaper references to james

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more or less focusing on his water

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divining exploits in this country or

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the tests i should say a little bit

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about his don lane

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fiasco when don lane kicked him off the

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and some of these clippings and stories

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come from my own personal research in

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the state library of new south wales

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where i've gone through microfilm and

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found references and

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clippings about james randy but before

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we get stuck into the show my hearty

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congratulations

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to dr paulie and the whole team

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uh at the gold coast gold coast skeptics

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who put on a fantastic online skepticon

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the australian skeptics national

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convention i sat there last weekend

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had a wonderful time listening and

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talks interacting with other people

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asking questions

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and afterwards going into little rooms

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to uh to chat to friends

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just like the old days a first class

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effort and a wonderful convention so

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congratulations to the gold coast team

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs grab a coffee have a look

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in the back garden because we've had a

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lot of rain lately

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about when you've had a lot of rain

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the grass really grows long

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time to get out the whippersnipper well

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james randy appeared many times on the

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skeptic's own podcast

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since its beginnings in 2008

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and what i'd like to play you now is a

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first time i interviewed james randy

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which was way back in 2007

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alaska

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we're on the amazing adventure too up

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the coast of alaska and here having

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mr james randy the ship has been rolling

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during the night and it's

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it is not not quite seized but it's down

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to a reasonable role right now

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and we've got hysterics in the

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background as you can hear but

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uh no i uh i just got you a joke from

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last night yeah there you go

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i'm having a wonderful time it's very

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stimulating to be with such good friends

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curtsies that people give when i pass by

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quick blessing as i pass i know it's

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really fun richard to

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be here uh with folks like you who come

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and that's very flattering indeed and i

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this part of the world before and

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a very good time i'm highly entertained

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and i hope that along the way i might

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provide some of the entertainment

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we're on a large vessel it's much like

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your amazing meetings it's simply a

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great opportunity

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to make new friends to network like any

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social organization i guess

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this cruise as we have with others and

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with the amazing meetings and such

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for purposes of funding the jref uh

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very obvious and they've never concealed

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money but that's not the only purpose of

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when we first boarded here i want people

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i look them straight in the eye and what

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questions have we got and people have

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must say i have no objection to it in

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so it's it's been wonderful it's just

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at the very first recording of the

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and that was in atlanta georgia uh my

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mr randy um you did an excellent series

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in the uk about 1991

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james randy said i spent that money

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already though and in the audience were

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in fact cue laurie and stephen fry yes

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they showed up and they they snuck in

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and sat in the front row so the people

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behind them couldn't see

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their faces didn't know who they were

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and they had a reading

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total fiasco with a capital f and

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uh that's a dirty laugh i'll

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bottle that and take it with me now we

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episode number 116

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in january 2011 and it's maynard's turn

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well i'm here at tam australia and uh

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there's a guy a really unusual name

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amazing that is a great first name mr

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randy yes so i've been told that

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amazing it's astonishing

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conjuring profession as i prefer to

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i was given all kinds of choices there

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this and the great and so and so but i

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april 2011

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and speak to him about his recent trip

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and joining me now live yes live all the

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way from fort lauderdale in

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florida it's none other than the amazing

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randy himself

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hello randy how exciting this must be

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it is i'm thrilled to death and and

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podcast that must be something

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yes brand new i've never done this

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lately uh following your adventures all

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norway randy somewhere i've never been

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why did you go so far well i've been all

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20 years or so and enjoyed it every

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single time even in the dead of winter

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somebody wished it on me so i'm not too

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hospitality we had

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sold out crowds every show and

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know that we had to do that

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but on the other hand it was streamed

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live and

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at least a thousand people were tuned in

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on the on the web to hear it and

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they were very happy with the results i

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believe and we had

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lots and lots of newspapers based now i

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was invited specifically

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by the norwegian humanist association

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uh i'm surprised and very very pleased

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richard i must say

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to have discovered when i got there that

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um the humanist organization the whole

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humanist philosophy

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is really very strong and pervasive

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uh in norway and they sort of need it i

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i'm sure you've heard of the royal house

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of norway and their eccentricities

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well what royal house doesn't have

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ex-interest that's very true very true

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you don't have one in

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in australia that i know of except it

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may be that remote one and what's the

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oh yes the uk yes that's the one yes i

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see

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well you you still have the ladies

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picture on your on your coin asian on

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your bills and such so we do

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yes i see well in canada they still do

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i'm told as well

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but they're they're preferring beavers

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the beavers are much more attractive

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um no it's it's quite interesting

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because princess

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martha louise there she is um

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i'm going to try to put it kindly she's

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a nut case

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she and everybody in norway that i met

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now my job is meeting mostly humanists

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but uh in the immediate crowd but the

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press all the media and such kept on

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saying

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oh we're so embarrassed over the royal

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family because she really is giving

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lessons

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literally a princess of norway

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is giving lessons to people to citizens

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out there

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for money to teach them how to contact

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their guardian

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angels now i too can speak to guardian

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angels i can speak the lamp posts

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i can speak whatever you want but

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whether i get an answer of course is

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the rather important uh question here

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and uh we challenged the princess

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uh on television and she didn't appear

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with me of course she was royalty you

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see

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and israel departed me uh still is from

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what i've heard

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although that that physician may be in

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jeopardy i'm not too sure

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but um she she just already said that we

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do not answer

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uh to such inquiries uh this is the

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royal we

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of course ah that that one that's

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that's a great excuse and i've heard uh

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john edwards say the same thing

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yes what do you say what do you say to

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the skeptics mr edward oh

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i don't respond to skeptics wow that's

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the best out you could possibly have i

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think

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well you may know that we specifically

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challenged

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john edward uh to take the million

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dollar prize and his press agent

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not he himself we we weren't given that

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great favor

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and his press agent answered and said

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dear sir date at the top then dear sir

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uh mr edward does not respond to

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criticism

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yours truly and then he signed it now

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that's great isn't it i

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i'm going to appear before the

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magistrates i i don't

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recognize this court goodbye and walk

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following on from that on episode 1 29 i

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continue my talk with james randy

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but now i'd like to change topics a

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little bit change the topic a little bit

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and

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talk briefly about the one million

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dollar prize from the james randy

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educational foundation

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and the angle i'd like to put to you is

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we all know it's there

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of course it's there it's it's you've

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gone to great pains to

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show to anybody who cares to look into

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it that the prize is really there

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yet there are still people who will not

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take your prize

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with the ridiculous excuses that oh the

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money's not there

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and james randy's lying all the time you

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must get an awful lot of that

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oh yes i do as a matter of fact the the

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facts of the matter are that

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years ago we advertised that if they

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wanted proof of it that we would send

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them a notarized document

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that's an attested warranted document

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that is a legal document and if i were

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to make a misstatement on

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that sort of thing they could sue me and

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they could they could certainly win the

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mini court of law here in america

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um so i i offered to send them a copy of

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that form and

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as we got the from the investment uh

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house which was goldman sachs in those

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days no longer is now we've changed

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um i used to every month when it came in

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i would make a photocopy of it and

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prepare

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five or six photocopies and put them in

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a drawer here in the other office

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and be prepared to mail them out now the

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fact of the matter richard is that

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in all those years we have been offering

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this evidence

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not one person believer

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or non-believer has ever asked to see

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that evidence and yet they continue to

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say

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the money isn't there no it's all a fake

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james randy is a magician he's a liar

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and it's not there but it's open for

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examination the the notarized document

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as i say is a legal document it's a

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a binding document and we certainly

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could be

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successfully sued if we made a statement

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like that saying the million dollars is

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there

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it is reserved

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as a matter of fact the account is

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called the james ready educational

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foundation prize account

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and it's specifically for that purpose

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at the moment it's about 1.3 million

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dollars

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and we'll take some off the top of it in

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order to help run the the foundation

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it'll always be a minimum

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of one billion dollars not one person

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has ever asked to see that evidence not

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by fax not by

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by the personal visit not by mail not by

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email

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no one has ever asked to see it and

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that's astonishing

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isn't it now we skip forward to episode

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number 176

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in 2012 and don't forget folks you can

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go to the full interviews with james

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randy these are all just

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little snippets little excerpts if you

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go to the episodes i mentioned

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at skepticzone.tv and click the episode

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link so yes this is episode number 176

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well randy it's um what a year it's it's

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looking to be

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for the james randy educational

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foundation

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it's hard to believe it but it's true

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tam number 10

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the amazing meeting number 10 coming up

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in july july 12th to the 15th

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in las vegas 10 years of tam randy

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wow hard to believe hard to believe and

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to think that

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at the the very first uh tam that we had

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we had

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1 652 i think it was

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and yes it's it's it's incredible really

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that's the next potential curve uh

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richard and i i think

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we're on the very steep side of the

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curve right now

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i i think so i think before long we're

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going to have to you're going to have to

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build your own hotel to house all the

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people who want to come to the amazing

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meeting

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and the reason so many people come to

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the amazing meeting well you couldn't

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put your finger on one reason of course

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but for me it's just the caliber of um

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speakers uh it's days and days of being

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enthralled with the the top scientists

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in the world the top

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magicians the top thinkers it must be

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some big undertaking to get that caliber

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of uh

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speakers to come along well frankly um

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we just have to mumble uh an invitation

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and people are

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are clamoring to get at us uh i must say

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we've had richard dawkins and neil

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degrasse tyson just recently do you know

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neil degrasse tyson to tell do you know

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indeed and i've had the pleasure of uh

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in fact the last

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tam tam nine which was called tam nine

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from outer space i had the pleasure of

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interviewing neil degrasse tyson

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oh yes of course you did yes i'd

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forgotten that but he's a charming

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gentleman and uh

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by golly uh he has just been such an

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attraction

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uh well he and richard can you imagine

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any conference that has richard dawkins

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and neil degrasse tyson at the same

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event i mean that that's uh

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we we felt that if we invited one more

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really sterling person we might reach

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critical mass and go up and boom you

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know

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episode 196 in july 2012

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and maynard interviews james randy at

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the amazing meeting in las vegas

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[Music]

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well look here's a guy i spoke to last

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time at tam australia

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the amazing incredible guy with the

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beard randy how are you

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i'm doing very well for an old fellow of

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83.

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you're looking the same age as my dad

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and my dad loves going to the doctor all

533
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the time i think you've probably had

534
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enough of doctors at the time being

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haven't you

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well yes i have had a few experiences in

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that direction

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such as uh well colon cancer

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chemotherapy for

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six months and a few things like that

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and a double heart attack and then

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double bypass

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so a double heart attack a double heart

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yes i i don't fool around yeah i do

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things

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thoroughly when i do them you seem to

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have so much energy is that why you had

548
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the double heart attack you're pushing

549
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yourself a bit hard

550
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that's entirely an act

551
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now now looking back how was tam

552
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australia while you were there

553
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i spoke to you pretty much at the

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beginning of it well i tell you i i i

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say this with great sincerity anytime

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that i can get to australia

557
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i say it correctly to australia i i do

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so

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uh because well dick smith is a good

560
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friend of mine and so is phil adams and

561
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richard saunders of course and so many

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folks over there

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you know that are good good solid

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friends of mine

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i delight in seeing them again and i

566
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:30,559
just love the country

567
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,400
it's it's a new country it's it's like

568
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,760
the united states was

569
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,400
you know half a century or maybe more

570
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,280
ago

571
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,919
and uh i i almost feel that i want to go

572
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,799
back to that

573
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,799
and i'd like to visit australia for that

574
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,159
very reason

575
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,600
now we come to episode 220 from january

576
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:50,799
2013

577
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,840
and once again maynard is with james

578
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,840
randy

579
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,760
it's december in melbourne and every

580
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,679
december in melbourne it rains

581
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,280
james randy you can't go anywhere

582
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,720
without tripping over one and over the

583
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:04,080
past couple of days that's what's been

584
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,559
happening

585
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,880
james randy how are you very well thank

586
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,840
you and i'm having a

587
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,919
marvelous time and meeting such

588
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,480
interesting folks and

589
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:15,440
well groups of people and individuals

590
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,000
melbourne

591
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,960
is a is a revelation it really is now

592
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,440
when were you last here

593
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,120
i i hate to tell you but i think it was

594
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:24,559
in 1981

595
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,600
that's when i confronted don lane and i

596
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,280
think that's the last time i was in

597
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,880
melbourne though i find that hard to

598
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:32,320
believe i i do so much

599
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,159
traveling it's it's all in my lungs

600
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:39,440
in my poor old head but i how old are

601
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,320
you nasa

602
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:43,520
i'm 84 all day and

603
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,039
i always say 84 going on 100 because i'm

604
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,640
an optimist

605
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,039
now james i was thinking about you at

606
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,720
about 3 30 this morning because there

607
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,320
was some bogans in the hotel room next

608
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,919
door to me that woke me up

609
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,520
and i thought now what i'm asking james

610
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,039
mr randy something um

611
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,720
because people go oh yes he's part of a

612
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,640
big farmer he's part of some he's on

613
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,240
the government side but this information

614
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:06,159
i thought hang on a minute let's turn

615
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,200
that around

616
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,240
you are someone who is into rationalism

617
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,679
you're someone who has a lifestyle that

618
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,760
maybe three different uh successive

619
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,440
presidents might not have supported

620
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,000
um how come you haven't made so many

621
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,440
enemies that you're on the receiving end

622
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:20,799
of some conspiracies

623
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:24,480
oh i i just may very well be but uh

624
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,720
you know at 84 you sort of mellow

625
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,720
i think i should have mellowed 20 years

626
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,120
ago but i'm mellowing now

627
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:36,159
and i take these all these things in

628
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,039
turn

629
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,840
and i've learned to ignore a great deal

630
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,799
of

631
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,840
flack from my detractors out there and

632
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,720
i'm sure they're

633
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,360
they are legion as they say uh it

634
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,880
doesn't bother me at all

635
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,480
yeah i guess you just get to a certain

636
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,720
point again yeah yeah

637
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,240
that's exactly right i don't know how

638
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:56,159
you spell that but that's exactly what

639
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,120
it is yes

640
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,360
and has the term woo-woo got to where

641
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,080
you wanted to be yet that that means

642
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,840
i always use just woo because woo-woo

643
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,679
sounds a bit like a train or something

644
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,600
but you want to get woo-woo into the

645
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,919
dictionary i i would love to get

646
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,000
will interview at least in the american

647
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:13,039
dictionary

648
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,720
and uh i want to make sure it's a

649
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,240
hyphenated

650
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679
woo and uh that would just be a

651
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,600
sort of an accomplishment for me it'd be

652
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,280
one of the things i haven't done yet so

653
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,679
i guess i better hurry up and do it

654
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,720
episode 299 now from

655
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,760
july 2014 and once again i bump into

656
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:32,720
james randy

657
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,149
suggest you are you always enjoy town mr

658
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,039
andy oh i have a ball at this place

659
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,559
and i'm also really rather

660
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,919
struck with the fact that i could

661
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:56,240
attract people in this case from 23

662
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,720
countries

663
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,400
across the world yes they read them all

664
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,760
out the other day

665
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,600
but i've got to face the fact that it's

666
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,240
not me it's the organization it's the

667
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,600
jref itself

668
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,279
and the work the good work that it does

669
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,039
around the world that

670
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,880
they're really interested in and i just

671
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,400
happen to be the figurehead

672
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:15,279
so i i take full advantage of that you

673
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,320
do

674
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,840
and it's remarkable that i've actually

675
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:19,279
caught you it's a bit quiet out here in

676
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,159
the hallway there's a

677
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,320
talk going on inside it's remarkable i

678
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,279
can actually

679
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,360
pull you away from the people yes and

680
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,480
you can't help yourself i saw you

681
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,919
performing some uh

682
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,360
wonderful countering tricks earlier oh

683
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,279
yes yes conjuring tricks

684
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,640
that's what we call them actually

685
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,320
they're miracles of their semi-religious

686
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,039
teacher

687
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,640
that's the way i just won't let on about

688
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,440
that and it's nice to see you

689
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,600
uh so mobile because a couple of times

690
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:43,760
ago you were

691
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,830
had aneurysms that had really crippled

692
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,840
me and i was in a wheelchair

693
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,240
but i had an operation since yeah very

694
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,159
serious one as a matter of fact and

695
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,960
it almost did me in but medical science

696
00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:00,080
did the job again

697
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,520
that's happened quite a lot recently

698
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:04,000
things have medical things almost doing

699
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
you in

700
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,480
yeah but not quite not yet well colon

701
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,159
cancer and a few other things i had a

702
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,520
hard bypass you know

703
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,679
what's next on the list i don't i i've

704
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,559
got no parts left

705
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,039
or the parts that i have left i i trust

706
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,720
will not go out of circulation i

707
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,080
certainly hope let's not get into

708
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,480
details

709
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,799
well i hope you enjoyed the rest of uh

710
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,760
the amazing meeting

711
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,520
and then we can start counting the days

712
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:29,360
till the next amazing meeting oh indeed

713
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,240
it did end

714
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,799
i'll be in australia later this year you

715
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
will be in australia yes i will indeed

716
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,120
we'll post more details about that um

717
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,640
soon i'm soon

718
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,480
i'm soon i'll be alright keep your seats

719
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:42,000
i'm sure you will

720
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,880
thank you december 2014 episode number

721
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,159
320 and what a special time that was

722
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,279
for me personally when i was on tour

723
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,640
with james randy around australia sydney

724
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,760
brisbane melbourne perth and adelaide

725
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,039
i found some time in adelaide to have a

726
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,200
chat with james randy

727
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,919
what are we doing here richard we're uh

728
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,720
brandi i

729
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:11,120
i wish i knew it we've we found

730
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,000
ourselves now

731
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
in the city of adelaide this is the uh

732
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,720
the first city on the big tour the

733
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,720
evening with james randy tour it's a

734
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,720
wonderful city and last night uh this

735
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,480
i think the tour got off to a good start

736
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,400
oh yes no i i think

737
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,760
we did okay we amateurs yes uh

738
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,440
you're not accustomed to public speaking

739
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:31,200
not at all no no no and i have never

740
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,159
done it no

741
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,480
you not too oh no no i've never done it

742
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,520
in my life i'm

743
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,760
frightened frightened of it i think we

744
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,840
winged it pretty well then oh yeah

745
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,480
we did and uh it was it was a very uh

746
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:44,080
enjoyable evening of course the audience

747
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,799
saw

748
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,320
the documentary uh the honest line

749
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:51,039
uh followed by a brief uh break and then

750
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,440
uh

751
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,120
you and i chatting on stage for an hour

752
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,720
which was most enjoyable yeah are you

753
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,679
sure because

754
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,919
some people i think they died in the

755
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,360
audience and that's why they weren't

756
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,400
moving much

757
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,679
when the other people moved out but no i

758
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:05,679
i think we did very well seriously

759
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,360
richard we did very well and uh it it

760
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:10,960
it may be a beautiful friendship from

761
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,110
that's right well i i first met you in

762
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,880
the year 2000 you were out here for a

763
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,360
big skeptical convention

764
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,760
but your reputation preceded you of

765
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,039
course but we we

766
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,600
uh i remember that quite fondly because

767
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:28,559
you

768
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,720
digital camera

769
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,880
and i was very proudly showing you my

770
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,960
latest movie digital camera which was

771
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,320
big at the time yes

772
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,399
you were always trying to up me why i am

773
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,679
i still am i think yeah

774
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,880
yes not too successful no no no no no no

775
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:46,000
no

776
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,480
uh one of my fondest memories of that

777
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,399
time was that it was the first time i

778
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:56,320
saw the card trick known as out of this

779
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,799
world

780
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,679
oh yes and you performed that on the uh

781
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,279
the boat cruise we had

782
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,039
uh and i honestly thought that could not

783
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,600
happen what i just saw before my eyes

784
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,760
and i subsequently learned the trick but

785
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,840
the first time you see that particular

786
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,880
trick

787
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,039
you cannot fathom how that's possible oh

788
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,960
yeah no out of this world was

789
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,799
what was his name and that i can't think

790
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,960
of the one man's name uh

791
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,039
i never met him but it was something in

792
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,440
the 1930s or so he invented it

793
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,840
and he's in the magic profession the

794
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:29,919
conjuring profession pardon partly

795
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,159
he's widely known for that and

796
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,520
there are about three or four different

797
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:37,679
versions of it yes but the one that that

798
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,080
says

799
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,000
that we both do i think is the better

800
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,919
one it's one of those tricks which uh

801
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,399
it has the particular punch in it where

802
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,679
the participant

803
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,559
is the person who's doing the trick yes

804
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,520
entirely yeah

805
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,200
this is entirely in your control you

806
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,960
dealt it exactly the way you wanted

807
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,440
yes i didn't interfere yeah no no no and

808
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:56,960
when they turned the currents over

809
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:59,840
yeah it just floors them well the floor

810
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,399
is them

811
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,559
and the first time i saw it and i'm sure

812
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,840
it's the case it's the first time

813
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,320
the audience here i was flawed i was

814
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,760
absolutely gobsmacked

815
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,080
and you're not easily floored not easily

816
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:12,399
not easily not easily in that occasion i

817
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,880
was

818
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,000
and it gets back to uh what we

819
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,679
indeed what we chatted about last night

820
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,120
on stage is your uh

821
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,480
love of uh conjuring and the adventures

822
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,679
you've had with that

823
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,000
setting aside you're skeptical and

824
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,600
critical thinking outreach yeah if we

825
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,679
get back to the fact that uh

826
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:32,720
you were for many years the performing

827
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,240
conjurer and escape artist oh yes

828
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:38,480
made a living at it have barely eeked a

829
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,279
living at it

830
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,360
yeah i actually did rather well travel

831
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,960
all over the world and uh

832
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:44,960
the profession was very good to me and

833
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,600
my audiences were very good to me

834
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,919
and uh what i'm currently involved in

835
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,600
the the whole skeptical picture of

836
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,360
course that

837
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:56,240
a professional skeptical picture i must

838
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,039
say

839
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,559
uh is my way of paying back

840
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,679
my audience is that for the applause

841
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,200
that they gave me and the support that

842
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,720
they gave me and the

843
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,320
the income that they gave you over the

844
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,399
years it was very true oh yes

845
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,520
they supported me and uh this is

846
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,640
i feel a way of giving it back um

847
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,120
absolutely and it's one of the great

848
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,720
places i'm sure that you discover when

849
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,440
you

850
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,799
travel around the world is other

851
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,640
magicians will come and say hello

852
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,799
oh yes again setting aside over the

853
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,080
skeptics yeah always

854
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,520
coming to you but just getting back to

855
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,159
your pure love of uh the conjuring god

856
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,760
last night we had a young magician

857
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,600
coming yes yes indeed

858
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,760
and he bought one of the the james randy

859
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,279
decks oh yes

860
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,360
and uh was shuffling them one hand too

861
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,799
much to my amazing oh yeah

862
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,840
no he he appears to be very clever with

863
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,799
his hands and i

864
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,480
i wish they'd had more time to spend

865
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,600
with him because i had a couple of

866
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:50,240
things

867
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,679
little little twists that i wanted to

868
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,600
explain to him but he had to hustle away

869
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:56,720
and we did

870
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,000
2015 now in june episode number 349

871
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,240
and i chat to james randy about the

872
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,440
upcoming

873
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,720
tam 13 in las vegas and

874
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,159
i guess this is one of the things i

875
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:11,840
really miss is my

876
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,360
uh is my catching up with james randy to

877
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,240
talk about exciting things like tam

878
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,679
joining me now all the way from fort

879
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,320
lauderdale as he normally does about

880
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:24,399
this time of year it's the one and only

881
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,320
the amazing james randy hello randy

882
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:31,120
speaking hello good to talk to you again

883
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,080
richard

884
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,440
as you say this is our our annual um

885
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:38,559
get together on skype and uh i

886
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,919
always look forward to it so uh ask away

887
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,720
oh well let me begin uh right away randy

888
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,240
as i mentioned at the top of the show to

889
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
my listeners i went

890
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,080
under the knife oh yes i went under the

891
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,200
surgeon's knife

892
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,519
a couple of days ago here in australia

893
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,960
but what many people don't know in the

894
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,320
minutes leading up to them

895
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,080
uh wheeling me into the operating room

896
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,000
you were having a quick chat to me

897
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,840
a text chat and i found that very

898
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,039
encouraging and you were

899
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,799
assuring me that modern science knows

900
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,399
what it's doing and you're reminding me

901
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,159
of all the various

902
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,840
procedures you've had done yes well

903
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,159
they have been numerous and the medical

904
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:16,960
sides triumphed again

905
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,640
some of the my detractors out there

906
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,320
don't think it triumphs again

907
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,399
they think it made a mistake but

908
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,360
nonetheless

909
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,760
i'm still here and i intend to be here

910
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,080
for quite some time i'm 86 now

911
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,600
i always say going on 100 because i'm

912
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,960
optimistic and perhaps realistic but uh

913
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:39,600
i certainly uh looking forward you know

914
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:40,240
after all

915
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:43,679
merton gardner made it to 97 and

916
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,440
uh you know astonishing uh how

917
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,919
how we can do these things uh i i'm

918
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,600
looking for it even sanctuary

919
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:54,320
after which i'll relax a bit oh i see

920
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,799
because

921
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,559
i was just about to ask you now that

922
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,039
you're uh officially retired what does

923
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,960
that mean for the amazing randy

924
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,000
does that really mean much at all how

925
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:05,440
are you enjoying your

926
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,960
your retirement well i i'm working

927
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,840
harder than

928
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,320
ever as a matter of fact because uh

929
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:13,279
first of all

930
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,960
my shortening time on earth uh sure

931
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,399
and that's the only place i'm going to

932
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:20,799
spend it i i can assure you

933
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:24,399
um no i i found that the

934
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,760
the pressure of having to attend almost

935
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,960
daily to

936
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,279
j-ref matters was getting a bit much for

937
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,559
me and uh

938
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:35,279
my board of governors said that they

939
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,240
they understood

940
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:39,600
and they allowed me to resign as the uh

941
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,880
chairman of um jayraf

942
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,960
of the james randy educational

943
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:47,200
foundation as we all know

944
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,880
and uh so i i'm just the founder

945
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,880
now that doesn't mean that i i just

946
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,960
stumbled over in my yard or something

947
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,080
like that you know

948
00:34:02,710 --> 00:33:59,440
i i started the thing up

949
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:02,720
x number of years ago and uh

950
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:05,840
it's been a huge success and for me and

951
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:09,839
i hope for the skeptical community 2017

952
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:13,679
in july on episode number 455

953
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:17,119
another interview of james randy

954
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,950
i'm glad that it's recorded it is i'm

955
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,919
backstage here

956
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,480
near the green room at nexus the north

957
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,760
east conference of science and

958
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,879
skepticism

959
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,919
in new york wow wow

960
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,919
uh with none other than james the

961
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,760
amazing randy randy it's great to see

962
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,200
you we haven't seen each other for

963
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:43,119
a little while yes it's been quite a

964
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,320
while and

965
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,159
there's been changes in both of our

966
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,000
lives right um

967
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,679
now i think the last time i saw you

968
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,839
would have been the last amazing meeting

969
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,919
in las vegas i believe so yeah not last

970
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,119
year but the year before

971
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,040
but before then was our big tour of

972
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,200
australia which i remember with with

973
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,400
enormous mixed feelings

974
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,440
of mexican perfection yeah but it was

975
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,720
very busy very busy it just

976
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,880
zipping back and forth because australia

977
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,079
is a rather large place

978
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,880
it is and we not as we discovered as we

979
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,960
found out very easily yes yeah

980
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,440
but it was a wonderful tour though i was

981
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,119
pretty pooped at the end of it but

982
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:24,240
uh nonetheless uh that's fine i was

983
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,960
younger then

984
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:27,680
you were i noticed you're a video back

985
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,320
then

986
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,960
no it wasn't it was a tiring i even for

987
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,440
me

988
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:34,240
uh in my how old was i in my late 40s i

989
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,960
i was

990
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,800
tired i can't think of the name of the

991
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:39,359
young asian gentleman who

992
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,839
helped this dish yes yes

993
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,760
yes susie anderson thinking and getting

994
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,359
us around the country yes

995
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,320
and um we we toured uh sydney and

996
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,160
brisbane and melbourne and adelaide and

997
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:55,520
oh yes yes but it was a marvelous

998
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,480
experience but

999
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:58,480
what the connection you've had to

1000
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,599
australia over

1001
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:02,480
many decades oh yes well dick smith of

1002
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:02,960
course

1003
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:07,119
there and uh

1004
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,960
and uh i would say that i i owe a good

1005
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,520
deal to

1006
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,000
dick because he he uh made a lot of

1007
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,440
things easier

1008
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,960
for me and for for davey my partner

1009
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,760
well james randy is so good to see you

1010
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,640
here in new york

1011
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,560
where you used to live of course for

1012
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,640
many years and uh folks

1013
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,119
james randy did a performance last night

1014
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
in front of a packed auditorium

1015
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:33,280
what was that performance i uh i just

1016
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,240
did a little talk

1017
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,000
a little talk yeah well you did the rope

1018
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:37,760
trick yeah well i had the wrong i always

1019
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,640
do the rope tricks yeah just to prove

1020
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,520
that i

1021
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,680
i still have some skill left you know

1022
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,599
that i can still do a couple of tricks

1023
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:46,800
it would be disappointing if you didn't

1024
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,119
do

1025
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,800
at least one trick that's what what are

1026
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,640
your intro very very true but i hope you

1027
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:52,560
enjoy the rest of the convention

1028
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,860
thank you so much

1029
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,599
[Music]

1030
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,160
so now we come to the last message randy

1031
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:59,520
ever sent me

1032
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:03,040
which was in may 2018 um

1033
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,200
a uh well wishing a congratulations for

1034
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,240
episode 500 of the skeptic zone and you

1035
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:11,280
can hear

1036
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,839
that in 2018 in may 2018 randy's health

1037
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,720
was starting to decline as the years

1038
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:19,839
caught up

1039
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,200
hello my name is james randy

1040
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:25,200
i want to congratulate my good friend

1041
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,560
richard saunders

1042
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,480
on over 500 episodes of the skeptic zone

1043
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,599
podcast i've been on there many times

1044
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,560
and

1045
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,440
over the last 10 years it's been a good

1046
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,119
adventure i must say

1047
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,640
thank you richard we need more of you

1048
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,040
so typical of james randy even though

1049
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,640
his health was failing

1050
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,960
he still made a personal video to uh to

1051
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,560
send to me

1052
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,880
but let's end with the another part of

1053
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:53,920
the interview

1054
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,960
from may 2012 episode number 176

1055
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:00,880
one of my favorite interviews with james

1056
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,000
randy where i put the question to him

1057
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,200
what is james randy really like

1058
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,880
i i think i'm a kindly guy who tries to

1059
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,680
help people

1060
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:14,880
understand how the real world works and

1061
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,000
to my limited ability and such i i

1062
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,520
have to strain the the limits

1063
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,400
of what i can do but i i do that and

1064
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:26,079
i've written nine books now with the

1065
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,119
tenth one

1066
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,560
a magician in the laboratory uh forming

1067
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:32,800
up right now as we speak

1068
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,400
uh it it's going to be very satisfying

1069
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,640
to me if i get my 10th book out

1070
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,200
and when i close my eyes richard i'm

1071
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,480
going to do with a certain amount of

1072
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,520
satisfaction

1073
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,880
i think i'm simply going to say

1074
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,440
something like well i did the best i

1075
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,160
could

1076
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,920
and that's all a fellow can be asked to

1077
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,839
do and and and

1078
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,760
my delight at knowing people like like

1079
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:56,000
you and all the rest of sagans and

1080
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,040
asimos and

1081
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,359
and the smiths and the philip adams is

1082
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,560
it too oh yes

1083
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,440
like that has been uh that has made my

1084
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:05,040
life really worthwhile

1085
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,310
[Music]

1086
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,200
james the amazing randy amazing in so

1087
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:17,760
many ways but folks

1088
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:28,650
he was an amazing friend

1089
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,470
[Music]

1090
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,320
now it's time once again to dive into

1091
00:39:46,829 --> 00:39:46,320
the treasure trove that is trove at

1092
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:46,839
trove

1093
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,640
nla.gov dot a u the online resource of

1094
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,480
digitized newspapers gazettes

1095
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:55,119
periodicals magazines articles reports

1096
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,079
etc etc

1097
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,960
etc but this week it's a bit of a

1098
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,280
combination because i'm also

1099
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,480
raiding my own personal archive of

1100
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,400
news clippings which i've collected at

1101
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,400
the state library of

1102
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,760
new south wales in their uh

1103
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,839
microfilm section going through and

1104
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,040
looking for

1105
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,760
articles of interest well in this case

1106
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,680
of course to do with james

1107
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,560
randy and what i'll do is concentrate on

1108
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,400
the year 1980

1109
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:27,119
the year randy flew out to australia at

1110
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,599
the

1111
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,160
invitation of dick smith to help conduct

1112
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,560
the water divining tests

1113
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,560
and a good primer for what i'm about to

1114
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,839
read out

1115
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,280
is james randy in australia on youtube

1116
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,839
the documentary about the water divining

1117
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,640
tests

1118
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,720
now by the time many years ago i got my

1119
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,960
hands on the original copy

1120
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,160
it it was being kept by dick smith we

1121
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,440
sent it to melbourne

1122
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,839
where the only machine in the country

1123
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,520
exists or existed

1124
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,560
to transfer the uh the tape they

1125
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,560
told us that the tape had degraded and

1126
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,079
was unusable

1127
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,800
luckily for us uh barry williams the

1128
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,560
former president late barry williams the

1129
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,839
former president of the australian

1130
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,880
skeptics

1131
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,839
made a video tape recording of the

1132
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,200
documentary when it was

1133
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,240
aired and we were able to use that

1134
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,520
to put onto a dvd of water divining

1135
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,839
nevertheless james randy in australia on

1136
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,400
youtube it's perfectly uh

1137
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,760
viewable watchable right now so

1138
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,720
we begin with a page from the sydney

1139
00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:32,160
morning herald

1140
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:41,270
[Music]

1141
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:44,800
30 000 promised for levitation

1142
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,640
divination psychic challenge by ben

1143
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:52,240
sandylands dick smith philip adams and

1144
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,359
james randy

1145
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,000
an american magician will offer next

1146
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,520
month thirty thousand dollars

1147
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,440
cash to the first person who can

1148
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,000
demonstrate a paranormal ability

1149
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,160
they can levitate bend spoons or divine

1150
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,160
for water by any means other than

1151
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,680
trickery or technology

1152
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,319
mr smith said yesterday the money is

1153
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,760
being put up for proof

1154
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,960
of any psychic or paranormal powers but

1155
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:17,040
instead of rushing to put their powers

1156
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,160
to the test

1157
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,480
australian levitators water diviners

1158
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:22,960
spoonbenders and psychic surgeons

1159
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,240
are discovering prior commitments

1160
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,359
which prevent them using their gifts to

1161
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,480
win the prize mr smith sydney's

1162
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:35,440
unconventional electronics businessman

1163
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,319
believes

1164
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,960
this shyness has something to do with mr

1165
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:39,599
randy

1166
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,880
who will arrive in sydney on july 28

1167
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,119
to perform in sydney and melbourne he

1168
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,640
can bend spoons

1169
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,119
perform psychic surgery and create all

1170
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,960
manner of illusions because he's a

1171
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,160
master magician

1172
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,240
but he detests people who claim to be

1173
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,920
supernatural or psychic

1174
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,800
when they are only magicians mr smith

1175
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,480
and mr adams have both

1176
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,960
matched james randy's long-standing

1177
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:03,920
reward of

1178
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,440
ten thousand dollars or so it seems

1179
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,200
mr adams said yesterday he had set aside

1180
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,359
ten thousand dollars in psychic money

1181
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,599
which would be deposited by

1182
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,760
thought transference in the account of

1183
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,359
the successful claimant

1184
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,520
a paddock has already been prepared for

1185
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,440
the test of dowsing

1186
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:26,000
or the power of water dividing with a

1187
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,800
fork stick

1188
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,760
or other object pipes made of various

1189
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,520
materials have been buried in the

1190
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,480
paddock

1191
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:35,040
the dowsers will be invited to define

1192
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,520
which

1193
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,480
pipes contain flowing water the team had

1194
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,000
hoped to find some entrants from the

1195
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:42,000
caufield institute of technology in

1196
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,720
melbourne

1197
00:43:47,069 --> 00:43:44,800
where researcher dr charles osborne

1198
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,079
claims to have discovered

1199
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:49,520
inexplicable psychic powers among

1200
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,079
children

1201
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,440
students the team had hoped to find some

1202
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,880
entrance from the corefield

1203
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,200
institute of technology in melbourne

1204
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,480
where researcher dr

1205
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,880
charles osborne claims to have

1206
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,079
discovered

1207
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:05,040
inexplicable psychic powers among

1208
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,760
children

1209
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,880
and students but to their disappointment

1210
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,000
dr osborne confirmed yesterday that he

1211
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,119
had been

1212
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:16,160
unavailable to interest any of his 40

1213
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,119
subjects in

1214
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,000
accepting a test of their powers which

1215
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:22,160
include moving toy boats around

1216
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,240
ponds by thought power mr smith said

1217
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,800
dr osborne's astonishing claims had

1218
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,599
received

1219
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:32,400
uncritical coverage in the press but not

1220
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,119
even

1221
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,359
thirty thousand dollars could induce one

1222
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,920
of them to prove their paranormal gifts

1223
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,760
he said he had long believed that the

1224
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:41,599
public was being

1225
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,119
intellectually ripped off by ufo reports

1226
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,640
pyramidology astrology and humbug in

1227
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,440
general

1228
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,920
but he was now prepared to put his money

1229
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,680
where his mouth was

1230
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,280
i'm not closing my mind to the

1231
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:57,200
possibility that people possess such

1232
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,920
powers

1233
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,839
but when the claims are dignified by a

1234
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,400
member of a publicly funded institute of

1235
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,640
higher education i think

1236
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:07,920
we are all entitled to say show me

1237
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:11,359
mr smith said james randy has suggested

1238
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,839
11

1239
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,160
feats which would win the first person

1240
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,480
to demonstrate them the prize money

1241
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,760
for psychic powers they are

1242
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,480
levitate yourself or move a remote

1243
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:23,760
object

1244
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:30,720
define the contents of a sealed envelope

1245
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,040
predict an event of sufficient oddity

1246
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,640
detect an aura

1247
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:41,920
diagnose an illness remotely

1248
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,839
cure an illness by paranormal

1249
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,119
intervention define the presence or

1250
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,640
nature of a concealed

1251
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:51,440
substance control the actions of a

1252
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,000
person

1253
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,200
or a machine demonstrate

1254
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,720
out of body travel or perception and

1255
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,720
perform any other demonstration of

1256
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,240
paranormal powers

1257
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,560
without resorting to trickery or

1258
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,839
technology

1259
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,720
and on the page there's a a nice

1260
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,960
publicity photograph of randy

1261
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,920
and underneath it says james randy are

1262
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:14,560
the

1263
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,920
in quotes psychics and quotes scared of

1264
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,079
a magician

1265
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,040
and the next time we see randy mentioned

1266
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,880
in the newspapers comes to us from the

1267
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:26,560
canberra times

1268
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,200
dated the 30th of july 1980

1269
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,640
diviners miss 40 000

1270
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,920
sydney no one won a 40 000

1271
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,680
challenge to divineness to demonstrate

1272
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,640
their ability to divine for water brass

1273
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,839
and gold in sydney yesterday

1274
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,720
none of the 10 acceptors could even find

1275
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,160
a lost brass

1276
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,960
tuning prong used on one of their

1277
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
divining rods

1278
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,119
sydney businessman mr dick smith writer

1279
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,240
philip adams

1280
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,960
american magician james randy and

1281
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,800
journalist richard carlton

1282
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,040
had each offered ten thousand dollars to

1283
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,119
anyone who could repeatedly

1284
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:09,280
demonstrate their ability to detect

1285
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,400
running water

1286
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:13,280
under the ground or pick which box

1287
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:13,920
contained

1288
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,440
a lump of brass or gold judges were the

1289
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,560
reverend tedenovs

1290
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,359
director of the wayside chapel father

1291
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,160
lori drake

1292
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,319
senior lecturer in geophysics at

1293
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,000
macquarie university

1294
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,000
mr bill williamson of the new south

1295
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,160
wales resources commission

1296
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,200
and mr john mills executive secretary of

1297
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,079
the national water wells association

1298
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,319
the diviners looking for running water

1299
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,599
were each given

1300
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:42,960
10 opportunities to walk over a course

1301
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,160
under which 10 pipes were buried after

1302
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,520
each try the water was

1303
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,760
channeled into a different pipe and the

1304
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,280
diviners had to select

1305
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,640
which pipe was carrying the water others

1306
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,920
tried to pick

1307
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,319
which of 10 cardboard boxes had a lump

1308
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,920
of brass inside

1309
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,319
again each diviner was given 10 chances

1310
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:03,599
to find the correct

1311
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,880
box no matter how hard they tried with

1312
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,079
their forked sticks

1313
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,800
metal bars pieces of wire or keys

1314
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,720
dangling from a string

1315
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,800
no one proved they could find what they

1316
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,480
were looking for

1317
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,000
after the diviners completed 107 tests

1318
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,559
mr smith said the success rate had

1319
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,720
averaged only 11

1320
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,480
no better than the chance you would get

1321
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,880
from throwing a dice

1322
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,400
and now we come to the sydney morning

1323
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:32,640
herald once again on the 17th of

1324
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,079
august 1980 and in the interim after the

1325
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,000
last uh

1326
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,920
item we found from a few months earlier

1327
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,920
james randy had appeared on the don lane

1328
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,559
show

1329
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,559
which is a very famous incident where

1330
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,200
james randy was kicked off the show

1331
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,319
after don lane lost his temper but

1332
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,200
that's possibly a story for another day

1333
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,319
the article says randy's a wake-up call

1334
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:59,119
to the tricks of mediums with a picture

1335
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,680
of

1336
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,640
james randy with the caption james randy

1337
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,640
crusade against fakes

1338
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,640
james randy the magician who made don

1339
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,000
lane disappear

1340
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,480
used to be one of the psychic phonies he

1341
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,079
now debunks

1342
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,280
as plain randall's wing which

1343
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,319
was james randy's birth name he had a

1344
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,440
telepathy act

1345
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,400
that made him a star but when distraught

1346
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,079
parents started pleading with him to

1347
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,520
find their lost children

1348
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,839
he gave it away i couldn't live with

1349
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,960
that kind of lie

1350
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,520
randy explained later so i went back to

1351
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,880
conjuring rabbits

1352
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,720
and he started crusading against the

1353
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:37,119
fakes and lies who poses mediums and

1354
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,000
faith healers

1355
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,640
to make fortunes at the expense of human

1356
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,000
grief

1357
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,119
randy was 15 when he attended his first

1358
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,520
spiritualist meeting i saw all the

1359
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,440
conjuring tricks magicians use

1360
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,359
and i saw little old ladies being taken

1361
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,440
in by it he said

1362
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,520
i thought one day i'm going to have

1363
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,000
enough authority to expose these people

1364
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,800
these days randy one of america's top

1365
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,920
magicians

1366
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,400
has that authority on the don lane show

1367
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,559
last week he criticized spoon bender

1368
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,680
yuri gellar

1369
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,400
and doris stokes the ubiquitous

1370
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,640
grandmotherly medium who claims to

1371
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,880
communicate beyond the grave

1372
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,040
lane who were several times had mrs

1373
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,800
stokes on his show

1374
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,160
leapt heatedly to her defense finally

1375
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:25,119
sweeping randy's props from a table lane

1376
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,079
told the magician

1377
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:29,359
to piss off then abracadabra the

1378
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:30,400
comedian

1379
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,920
stormed off his own show challenge

1380
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,400
it wasn't exactly the best example of

1381
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,520
the lanky

1382
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,079
yanks wit and here of course they're

1383
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,920
referring to don lane who was

1384
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,960
also known at the time as the lanky

1385
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,760
yank a very popular talk show host in

1386
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,359
the 1970s

1387
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,559
originally from new york i think

1388
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,839
we read on indeed randy himself tends to

1389
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,200
be funnier

1390
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,160
he has compared doris stokes with santa

1391
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,920
claus the tooth fairy

1392
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,400
and the easter bunny and he issued her

1393
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,520
with a rare challenge

1394
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,559
a wrestling match to the death nude in

1395
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,520
mud

1396
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,920
not surprisingly mrs stokes found the

1397
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:12,720
offer

1398
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:16,160
one she could refuse more to the point

1399
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,839
though she has also resisted invitations

1400
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,280
to perform her

1401
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,480
calling up the dead act under randy's

1402
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,359
relentless gaze randy was brought to

1403
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,680
australia by three well-known skeptics

1404
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,599
electronics millionaire dick smith

1405
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,280
writer philip adams and tv

1406
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,000
current affairs reporter richard carlton

1407
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:37,920
his original brief was to pour

1408
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,280
cold water on water and metal diviners

1409
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,200
which he succeeded in doing without

1410
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:44,640
attracting the publicity

1411
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,000
he had hoped for randy and his three

1412
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:50,000
backers offered forty thousand dollars

1413
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,280
for any diviner

1414
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:54,079
who could find hidden water brass and

1415
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,720
gold

1416
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,520
all ten entrants failed recording a

1417
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,079
success rate of just eleven percent

1418
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,800
yet the tests were virtually unreported

1419
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,079
in the media

1420
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,319
as randy put it if hitler's alive and

1421
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:08,559
well in argentina it's a story

1422
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,079
if he's dead and gone no story ben's

1423
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,920
spoons the 52 year old canadian-born

1424
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,480
magician

1425
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:18,960
has written three books two of them the

1426
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:21,920
magic of yuri gallum and flim flam

1427
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,880
the truth about unicorns parapsychology

1428
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,240
and other delusions

1429
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,880
claim to expose the slights of hand used

1430
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,880
by those who claim to have

1431
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,839
supernatural power one of his other acts

1432
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:34,640
is to bend

1433
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,800
spoons the way geller did by illusion

1434
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,240
not by the power of mind he claims his

1435
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:44,319
strange encounter with don lane was a

1436
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,640
set

1437
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,040
up lane's ratings have depended a good

1438
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,960
deal on people like doris stokes

1439
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,599
i think she's a favorite of his and he

1440
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,440
believed i was attacking her

1441
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,319
which she justly deserves to be randy

1442
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,839
flew back to the united states on

1443
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,359
wednesday still puzzled

1444
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:01,520
at the way australia has taken to mrs

1445
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,559
stokes

1446
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,040
but his experience hasn't affected his

1447
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,400
sense of humor

1448
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,720
indeed he spent almost as much time

1449
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,920
taking the mickey

1450
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,880
out of his friend dick smith hearing of

1451
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,960
the eccentric millionaires plans to

1452
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,880
retrace scott's path across the

1453
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,319
antarctic

1454
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,760
randy asked smith will you drop electric

1455
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,839
toilet seats to them

1456
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:26,240
and seeing smith having his photo taken

1457
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,119
again

1458
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,160
randy noted dryly dick gets his tan

1459
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:33,040
from strobes and flashlights and now we

1460
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,839
come to

1461
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:36,480
the sydney morning herald on the 11th of

1462
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,200
october

1463
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:41,280
1980 so we're moving on through the year

1464
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,200
and a relatively quick turnaround

1465
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,280
this is a preview of the documentary

1466
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,040
which was filmed

1467
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,240
on the water divining tests

1468
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:55,040
taking the mystique out of the magical

1469
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:55,760
james

1470
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:58,880
randy in australia atn7

1471
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:02,319
and that was the tv network it still is

1472
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,480
wednesday 8pm previewed by gary shelley

1473
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:09,520
james randy a psychic investigator from

1474
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,079
new york

1475
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,680
does not believe in santa claus the

1476
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,440
tooth fairy or the easter bunny

1477
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,280
there is not enough evidence to support

1478
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,640
their existence

1479
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,119
says the magician who is not entirely

1480
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,160
humorous

1481
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,400
mr randy scoffs at any form of

1482
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,079
paranormal behavior

1483
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:26,559
from the bending of spoons to the

1484
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,119
searching for water by divining rod

1485
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:32,079
he wants to expose people who go out of

1486
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,040
their way

1487
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,920
to defraud others at the same time he

1488
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,920
would love to believe that these people

1489
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,880
could

1490
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,200
prove their supernatural powers

1491
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,119
scientifically

1492
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:45,119
the name james randy might ring a bell

1493
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,240
to many viewers

1494
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:49,040
he was the gentleman whom don lane told

1495
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,079
to

1496
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,680
get lost in a liquefied form

1497
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,839
when he exposed yuri geller and doris

1498
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,680
stokes's frauds

1499
00:55:01,109 --> 00:55:00,160
live mr randy was brought to australia

1500
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,119
by dick smith

1501
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,359
in an attempt to prove or disprove the

1502
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:05,359
validity of water diviners

1503
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,480
and psychic surgeons in the program the

1504
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,480
investigator explains the skull

1505
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,680
duggary and chicanery exercised by the

1506
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,760
psychic surgeons in the philippines

1507
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,920
whose hands fumble in and out of the

1508
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,280
stomachs of patients

1509
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:21,200
who pay thousands of dollars for

1510
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,319
treatment

1511
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,319
it is not a pretty sight as randy

1512
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,400
demonstrates on a bewildered human

1513
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,440
guinea pig

1514
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,920
with sleight of hand he appears to draw

1515
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,240
out pieces of the man's innards

1516
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,480
but they are only a handful of chicken

1517
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,880
livers water diviners also bear the

1518
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,680
brunt of mr randy's expose

1519
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,760
he conducts some experiments to test

1520
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,599
their extraordinary

1521
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,920
gift with a reward of thirty thousand

1522
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,760
dollars for any person who can

1523
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,319
scientifically prove their powers

1524
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,799
each water diviner claimed to have had

1525
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,599
unlimited success in the craft

1526
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,240
and many make a good living from the man

1527
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,680
on the land

1528
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,559
one codger was certain the test would be

1529
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,359
easier

1530
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,240
than getting in and out of bed the

1531
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,160
experiment arranged in true

1532
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,400
show business fashion had the reverend

1533
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:12,240
tedenovs and a priest

1534
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,240
father drake as official judges however

1535
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,880
god was not on the side of james randy

1536
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,000
and dick smith because

1537
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:22,319
both religious men actually believe in

1538
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,760
water divining

1539
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,400
as well as divining for water tests were

1540
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:27,920
made in the search for

1541
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:32,880
brass and gold objects out of 111

1542
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,079
attempts only 15 were successful

1543
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,200
an average of 11 but not

1544
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,720
one merited the prize which is still

1545
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,599
up for grabs and as an aside i'm a

1546
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,280
little surprised that they actually gave

1547
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:48,960
away the results

1548
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:52,480
in the in the review the preview here

1549
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,240
oh well we read on james randy is

1550
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,079
convinced that the movement of the

1551
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:01,200
divining or dowsing rod is manipulated

1552
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,760
by the

1553
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,160
imagination or wishful thinking of the

1554
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,599
person operating it

1555
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,440
there is an enormous amount of harm in

1556
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:09,520
deception he said

1557
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,799
he gave as an example the jamestown

1558
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:14,559
massacre in ghana

1559
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,240
there the total belief in one man whose

1560
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:21,359
charisma and power was so overwhelming

1561
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:24,559
meant that death was the only salvation

1562
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:28,160
which i am sure is more than james randy

1563
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,069
and finally we come to the sydney

1564
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:35,520
morning herald once more

1565
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,599
on the 9th of november 1980

1566
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,079
and again we have a photograph of a

1567
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,079
publicity photograph of randy

1568
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:47,920
james randy he can't cop esp

1569
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,240
when seeing isn't believing

1570
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,040
don lane and believers in divining rod

1571
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,440
spoon bending and psychic surgery

1572
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,240
should watch the special james randy in

1573
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,280
australia

1574
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,599
paranormal nonsense claptrap and

1575
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:04,480
flummery

1576
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,079
says mr randy as he convincingly

1577
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:11,040
demonstrates how easily people can fool

1578
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,160
the more gullible

1579
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,000
among us and themselves mr lane should

1580
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,440
watch channel 7 at 7

1581
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,040
30 on wednesday night to hear the

1582
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:21,119
cognitive arguments he would not

1583
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,280
allow mr randy to expound on his show

1584
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,480
devotees of the lane program will recall

1585
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:29,839
the evening the

1586
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,799
compare had the ill grace to swear at

1587
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:35,119
his guest and storm off the set

1588
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,520
after randy had raised doubts about

1589
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,640
doris stokes

1590
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:41,200
whom he calls the granny who hears dead

1591
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,680
people

1592
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,760
talking to her in a statement issued

1593
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:45,520
through his australian sponsor nick

1594
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,240
smith

1595
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,440
the scientist says he's certain lane's

1596
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,640
actions were

1597
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:53,520
calculated setup randy does not believe

1598
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,839
in

1599
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,680
santa claus the easter bunny and the

1600
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,920
tooth fairy for the same reason

1601
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,799
he can't cop esp spoon bending and the

1602
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:01,839
rest

1603
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:05,119
insufficient evidence his evidence in

1604
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,760
his

1605
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,799
doubting thomas view places all

1606
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,839
things paranormal firmly in the easter

1607
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,680
bunny class

1608
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,240
it would be a pity if he lost most of

1609
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,079
his viewers in the first few minutes

1610
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,720
as he appears to remove a quantity of

1611
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,760
blood and guts from

1612
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,480
a willing victim's stomach it isn't

1613
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,599
psychic surgery

1614
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,400
but sleight of hand by a similar trick

1615
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,240
he bends spoons in the

1616
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:33,359
slickest faster than the eye urrigala

1617
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,319
fashion

1618
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,720
the clincher takes place in a field in

1619
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,520
ride

1620
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,280
where the reputations of a group of

1621
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:41,839
water diviners are left looking

1622
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:44,880
a little tattered attracted by an offer

1623
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,839
of forty thousand dollars ten grand each

1624
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,240
from skeptics randy smith philip adams

1625
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:51,760
and richard carlton

1626
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,640
the dowsers had to identify golden brass

1627
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,480
hidden in cardboard boxes

1628
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:59,040
and which out of ten pipes had water

1629
01:00:03,030 --> 00:59:59,680
flowing

1630
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:03,040
through it before the experiment most

1631
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,040
said they would be 100 successful

1632
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:09,839
five agreed to split the proceeds they

1633
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:10,400
were so

1634
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,920
confident in this case seeing is

1635
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,040
disbelieving

1636
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,280
the results are no better than chance or

1637
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,160
guesswork

1638
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,799
and randy declares it would seem to

1639
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:23,200
indicate that dowsing as a force

1640
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:26,480
does not exist does this shake the faith

1641
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,000
of our dousers not a bit

1642
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:32,400
they come up with every excuse under the

1643
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:33,359
sun

1644
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,000
this rare lapse people

1645
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:43,200
randy concludes sadly simply will not

1646
01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:44,720
learn a lesson

1647
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,080
and that was a report by don groves

1648
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,240
[Music]

1649
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,160
so there we are some newspaper reports

1650
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:55,839
from 1980

1651
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,799
centering on james randy's visit and

1652
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,520
he's

1653
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,680
taking part in the famous water divining

1654
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,799
tests

1655
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:05,040
i will link to james randy in australia

1656
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:06,559
in the show notes

1657
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,720
and i think it's a classic of skepticism

1658
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:13,119
and it's certainly a very early

1659
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:14,400
introduction to me

1660
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:23,960
to the world of testing the paranormal

1661
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,390
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1662
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,839
zone and uh

1663
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,760
thank you once again to james randy for

1664
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:43,599
being so generous with your time over

1665
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,559
the years

1666
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,400
for interviews and such like and i've

1667
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:49,280
noticed on youtube especially

1668
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,720
there are lots of people posting up

1669
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,480
lectures and talks and interviews with

1670
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,559
james randy just like i am

1671
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,640
and that's a wealth of information in

1672
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,039
fact i watched a lecture

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just the other night an hour and a half

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of randy when he was about 62 6263

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and he was in fine form quick witted

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sharp

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telling us about uh tests with water

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divining and homeopathy and psychics and

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everything like that

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lots of lots of good talks on

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youtube with james randy thank you to

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those people who continue to support the

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skeptic zone at skepticzone.tv with

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patreon

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or paypal always necessary

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and this year it's been more necessary

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than ever

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which is ridiculous because necessary is

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a superlative

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i'll try it again always vital but this

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year more vital than ever no that

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doesn't work

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always crucial but this year more you

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know what i mean

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coming up on next week's show

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i'm going to cover news about the vaxxed

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bus

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they've been vexed

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because local councils up and down the

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state of new south wales have said

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no to the vexed bus much to the

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chagrin of the conspiracy theorists

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running around the country in their big

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black bus good to see that people in

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local councils are stepping up

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to fight this nonsense and uh conspiracy

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theory mongering

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and also on next week's show more

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logical fallacies with michelle

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bickersma

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hello michelle and the book of tim with

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tim menden

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and the last thought i will leave you

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with today

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is i noticed there was a posting on

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james randy's facebook page

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just in the last few days by his partner

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devi with a simple message

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and that was for my friends in the

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united states

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vote but for this week

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this is richard saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone podcast

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